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On February 18, 2010, a press conference “Prospects for the development of theological education in Russia” was held at RIA Novosti.

S.V. Chapnin:

Good afternoon, dear colleagues! We welcome you to a press conference dedicated to the problems of introducing state standard in Theology for higher education institutions. Today, Prof. will talk with us about this problem. Heinz Ohme, Doctor of Theology, Head. department History of the Ancient Church, Faculty of Theology, Humboldt University of Berlin, another guest from Germany, Prof. Notger Slaska, Doctor of Theology, teacher of Basic Theology at the University of Berlin. Humboldt. Well-known to you, Archpriest Vladimir Vorobyov, rector of the largest church university in Russia, the Orthodox St. Tikhon's Humanitarian University, and what is especially important for us is the co-chairman of the Educational and Methodological Association for Classical University Education in Theology of the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation. Also among the speakers are representatives of secular universities: Galina Borisovna Voronina, dean of the faculty German language MSLU, and Arsen Yakovlevich Kasyuk, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor, Director of the Institute international relations and socio-political sciences of Moscow State Linguistic University. And the representative of the Ministry of Education and Science, Alexander Viktorovich Naumov, is the director of the Department of State Scientific, Technical and Innovation Policy.

Let me make a short introduction. The conference that we are holding today and the participation of German guests is due to the fact that in the coming days the Annual international Conference, in which mainly university students, as well as German theology students, take part. This is a very important platform for joint communication between theology students from Russia and Germany. There is only one rather serious problem. The fact is that German students have the opportunity to continue academic education and academic work, the doors of graduate school are open for them, and all the necessary attributes of a full-fledged academic career are available: an academic degree of Doctor of Theology, a professorship, supervision of undergraduate and graduate students. And for Russian students these paths are closed. Having received a master's degree in their chosen specialty, they can continue their academic work as theologians only abroad, and in Russia they will be forced to defend their candidate and doctoral dissertations in related disciplines: philology, history, philosophy and others. This is due to the fact that today the list of scientific specialties of the Higher Attestation Commission does not include the specialty of Theology. On the other hand, the issue of recognizing academic degrees awarded by Russian theological schools has not yet been resolved.

We hope for major changes in the near future. As you know, the first progress arose after the meeting in 2009 between His Holiness Patriarch Kirill and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. An instruction was given to develop an appropriate set of questions, and perhaps Theology will be included in the list of Higher Attestation Commission disciplines. In the meantime, it should be noted that theology in Russia at the level of higher education continues to actively develop: the number of universities that have passed licensing is growing - today it is approaching fifty. Project educational standard on Third Generation Theology collected a record number of positive reviews - thirty-seven. For six months now, there has been a working group of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation on interaction with the Russian Orthodox Church and other traditional faiths, within the framework of which the passport of Theology is being considered as a specialty for scientific workers. Our guests are directly involved in this process.

At the beginning, I would ask Alexander Viktorovich Naumov to tell me what is happening in the Ministry. And then we will continue with your questions.

A.V. Naumov:

Thank you very much for the opportunity to shed light on this issue. I'll try not to take your attention for too long. Indeed, this working group, where we are members together with Father Vladimir, has already held four meetings, and a fifth meeting is planned. Moreover, we have transferred the issue related to the training of highly qualified personnel in the field of Theology to a practical level.

I note that your words about the impossibility of theological students continuing their academic career while obtaining an academic degree are not entirely correct. Since the Nomenclature of Scientific Specialties, which was approved in February 2009 by the Ministry of Education and Science after a two-year discussion with the scientific community, there is a related area where specialists in the field of theology could receive academic degrees as a candidate or doctor of science - this is Religious Studies and Philosophy of Religions . I certainly understand the significant problems associated with the field of Theology, which is why we work very closely in this group.

Firstly, we have already been able to resolve the issue of licensing and accreditation of religious educational institutions, opening councils for the defense of candidate and doctoral dissertations at theological schools. There is very close interaction between the leading university of Moscow State University and the Orthodox St. Tikhon's University in terms of joint dissertation councils. Secondly, the issue of including clergy with secular scientific degrees and academic titles in the councils created at educational and scientific organizations has been resolved. Now we have one of the final moments within the Theology specialty - this is the next step for which we are now preparing. A special expert commission was created, headed by a respected scientist, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, chairman of the Council of the Russian Humanitarian Scientific Foundation, Yuri Leonidovich Vorotnikov. Members of the commission prepared a passport for the scientific specialty in Theology. By decision of the working group, in December 2009, the passport was sent for review to Rosobrnadzor, the federal executive body in charge of this area, to the Higher Attestation Commission, to Russian Academy Sciences and the Russian Union of Rectors. At the moment, we have already completed this procedure with the Higher Attestation Commission and are completing it with the Russian Union of Rectors and the Russian Academy of Sciences. Based on the results of the review, we will make a final decision within our working group and prepare recommendations, including to the Minister of Education and Science, on this issue. Thank you.

Archpriest Vladimir Vorobyov:

This problem has a long history. For several years now we have been working on the issue of introducing the specialty of Theology into the list of scientific specialties of the Higher Attestation Commission. And I must say that most scientists and academicians, representatives of other universities support and have a positive attitude towards this process. The situation was complicated by the speech of 10 academicians led by the late academician Ginsburg, where they said that theology is not a science, and science, which operates with facts and logical evidence, should not be confused with theology, which is supposedly based only on faith. This letter was widely disseminated in the media, and it must be said that all those who do not want to speed up the process are very fond of referring to it. But recently, especially after the meeting of our President with His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, the situation has changed in a positive direction. The Ministry of Education is meeting us halfway, the commission that Alexander Viktorovich spoke about really works in a very friendly style, and I think that all these misunderstandings should soon be resolved.

But, of course, the social recession, the way our society perceives this problem, is of great importance here. Based on the feedback that we have collected over the past years, one can think that our people want Orthodox education, Orthodox science and other religious science, the theological science of Islam - all of them to be restored to their rights. Those. in the rights that they had before the revolution in Russia and have in almost all countries.

It is impossible now to come to a European country, or America, or Asia and declare that theology is not a science. I think it will sound funny. And our dear guests from Germany will confirm this. Because theology is the first science with which European universities began. And the Doctor of Theology has always been an honorary academic degree. So, of course, such statements should be forgotten - they are relics Soviet period. I think that soon we will overcome these problems and begin to defend works on theology, doctoral and master's degrees. This will help ensure that theology develops in our universities and that more theological departments appear. Our people will begin to turn to their Orthodox culture, Muslims - to their Islamic culture, will gain faith, moral principles, and our life will change for the better.

S.V. Chapnin:

Thank you, Father Vladimir. Dear colleagues, do you have any questions?

1. Tell us more about the passport of the scientific specialty Theology, what kind of document is it?

A.V. Naumov:

The fact is that for each scientific specialty there must be a passport, which defines the main directions of this specialty, the basic requirements that apply to this specialty.

Theology, at least within the framework of our working group, is considered a scientific specialty, must, on a general basis, meet general requirements, so that the academic degrees that will be awarded in the event of the introduction of this scientific specialty meet the general requirements that apply to other specialties. For these purposes, we are working on this passport so that it fully complies with the regulatory framework that regulates the issue of awarding academic degrees in Russian Federation.

2. Is it known what the next step the state will take in order to recognize theology as a science? (Russian newspaper)

A.V. Naumov:

This step is determined by the regulatory framework of the Government and the Ministry, which is granted the right to regulate this. Accordingly, the necessary changes will be made to the Regulations on the preparation of scientific, pedagogical and scientific personnel and in the List of scientific specialties. It is also approved by the Ministry of Education and Science, registered with the Ministry of Justice and is a common normative act for all.

Next, an expert council on theology should be created on the basis of the Higher Attestation Commission, and it will be possible to submit dissertations defended in the dissertation council, for example, of our university or other higher educational institutions.

3. Vladimir Nikolsky. Magazine "Higher Education in Russia"
Last year, a higher church graduate school was created. Restrictions - only citizens of the Orthodox faith are protected in it. If we say that theology stands on common grounds with other sciences, is there no contradiction here?

A.V. Naumov:

There is one point that I would like to dwell on, unfortunately, I did not immediately highlight it in my speech. We are interacting with the main confessions in the Russian Federation. Although only representatives are present here Orthodox Church, but our working group also includes representatives of Islam, Judaism and Buddhism.

Moreover, all confessions communicate very closely with each other within the framework of the issue of introducing theology as a scientific specialty. Moreover, we have no contradictions here, and everything related to the multi-confessional approach will certainly be reflected in the resolution of this issue.

4. Still, in my opinion, doubts remain in the scientific community about the scientific nature of theology. I am not referring to the “letter of ten,” but rather to my personal communication with university professors.
What actions are you going to take to work with ordinary scientists and teachers to convince them that theology is real scientific knowledge.

Archpriest Vladimir Vorobyov:

Of course, such an opinion cannot immediately disappear, because our time was preceded by a long period of atheistic education and atheistic science. It is impossible to immediately eradicate these approaches in people's minds - it takes time. And we understand this perfectly. We are conducting the most tolerant and peaceful dialogue with everyone who wishes to discuss this matter. We hold various conferences, communicate with many universities, hold round tables, and appear in the press. We have interaction within the educational educational institutions of classical universities, there is an association of non-state universities, of which we are members, and so on.

So wherever possible, we are happy to answer questions that are asked to us.

G.B. Voronina:

I am very grateful for the invitation to this conference. I represent the Moscow State Linguistic University, which offers 26 specialties. Since 2003, thanks to the efforts of our rector Irina Ivanovna Khaleeva, who due to objective circumstances could not attend, the new specialty"Theology". We have already had two releases. The difference between our small theological department is that it is located in the German language faculty, where they train Germanists and linguists - this is a piece production. The first graduation took place two years ago, there were 20 students in total, half of them graduated with honors. This year, 25 people graduated, and ten of them received the so-called “honor diploma”. And what’s significant is that we brilliantly passed accreditation two years ago, and you yourself can probably guess that those students, those applicants who choose this specialty should not have a void here - I’m pointing to the heart. These are, of course, other students: in their intelligence, in their moral qualities, they are ahead of other students. Education at our university differs from similar universities in that our students study six languages: three ancient languages ​​- Church Slavonic, Latin, Ancient Greek, and three modern languages- German, English and modern Russian.

That is, these people are unique in their education. It is no coincidence that most of them, working on their graduation projects, connect their future path with science and find themselves at a dead end. Of course, we talk to them and inform them that they have the opportunity - both Father Vladimir and Alexander Viktorovich spoke about this today - to go into a related specialty, be it philosophy, religious studies, or even philology. But for graduates who graduated from the department of theology, this becomes a betrayal of their interests. Of course, we place them in related specialties, but this is not at all what they expected when receiving this unique specialty. Therefore, now I am speaking on behalf of my students, from the department of theology: we must do everything possible so that the public supports us, so that theology becomes a VAK specialty. This is a monstrous injustice; it is not by chance that I use the word “monstrous.” It was a monstrous injustice when the traditions of our country were broken and destroyed in 1917.

Indeed, you said correctly, Father Vladimir, when the University of Bologna was created - the first university in Europe - the first faculty was the Faculty of Theology. The same thing happened in Germany, Professor Ohme can tell us about this now. And in Europe it goes without saying that theology is a scientific discipline like all others. We cannot be enemies, we cannot be antagonists. For example, I perceive this as injustice. If representatives of the evolutionist direction believe that only they have the right to the ultimate truth, then they deprive representatives of the other direction of their truth. I am very glad that my graduates are among those present. For example, Alena Vorobyova. She now works at St. Tikhon's University. We offered her to stay with us, but she wanted to connect her destiny with Orthodoxy and teach with specialists.

And now I appreciate the invitation. Thank you.

S.V. Chapnin:

Thank you. I would like to give the floor to Arsen Yakovlevich Kasyuk. Since we have already said that the upcoming standard is multi-confessional, it is necessary to talk about teaching Islam.

AND I. Kasyuk:

I would like to address a few issues. The question naturally arises about state universities for training theologians. It seems to me that this is a big state task. Yes, the Church and the state are separate according to our constitution, but the state is far from indifferent to the spirit in which the people who will become shepherds of the souls of our society will be prepared.

There was not a single Islamic educational institution in the Soviet Union. After the collapse of the Union, it was thought that the training of clergy for Muslims would continue. Such personnel began to be trained in Pakistan, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. Most schools - I would not like to generalize, there are well-known educational institutions, for example Al-Azhar in Egypt, which is already 1200 years old - prepare people who are absolutely not in the spirit of supporting our country, our fatherland. You know the various movements of Wahhabism, Turanism, and so on. Therefore, five years ago, the President of the Russian Federation issued a decree on the need to support and promote religious education, and primarily Islamic. The situation of Islamic education at that time was deplorable. Today we have 25 universities, and seven of them are part of a single association of universities, where students are trained in in-depth study of the culture of Islam. Such applicants are sent to us by the advice of the muftis of Russia. This year we will have our first issue. These are secular specialists who will work in this direction. This is the first thing I wanted to point out.

And the second question. We have developed a division between the concepts of theology and theology. This, in my opinion, is to a certain extent verbiage. Theology is a copy of the ancient Greek “theology”. And in the old, pre-revolutionary times, theology was called theological education in the West, that is, Catholic and Protestant, and Orthodox was called theology. Although in essence it is the same thing. And the huge gap that exists today did not exist. It developed historically during the years of Soviet power.

Many professors of the Moscow Theological Academy - Klyuchevsky, Lebedev, you can name many names - taught simultaneously at Moscow State University. The picture was approximately the same in Kazan. Many graduates of theological academies became secular teachers. It seems to me that the relationship could develop in this direction, not only because religion or the Church were to a certain extent state in tsarist Russia, but because the educational level in both the Theological Academies and secular educational institutions was approximately the same. It seems to me that this is what we should strive for now. Moscow State Linguistic University is now making great efforts to achieve this. By the decision of the heads of the CIS governments, MSLU University was assigned the title of the basic organization for the study of languages ​​and cultures of the CIS countries. We have been working together for about four years and have created a Council for theological education of representatives of various universities in the CIS. We hope to continue to work in this direction. Thank you.

S.V. Chapnin: Thank you Arsen Yakovlevich!

5. Olga Lipich (RIA Novosti):
I have a clarifying question. What steps will be taken after the passport is approved by all four authorities that you mentioned? Will amendments be made, the list changed and a dissertation council be created at the Higher Attestation Commission or something else?

And the second question. Could our German guests tell us more about the goals of the conference, the issues that will be discussed, and its guests.

Naumov Alexander Viktorovich:

I have a very short answer. We still plan to first consider this passport with the conclusions of the organizations I spoke about at a meeting of our working group, and submit it to the minister for decision in order to make a final decision.

Archpriest Vladimir Vorobyov:

Student conferences between Humboldt University and ours, St. Tikhon's University, have been taking place for several years now. Once every two years we meet in Moscow or Berlin, taking turns. I must say that the students do very good work and give excellent reports. Students go on internships with each other. And this cooperation, I think, is of great importance not only for the educational and scientific process, but also for improving mutual understanding between our peoples. We are very grateful to Humboldt University for its reciprocal desire to cooperate with us. This year, in the spring, we will host the rector of Humboldt University. We hope that a broad agreement on cooperation between our universities will be signed. Thank you.

G.B. Voronina:

Let me also say a few words. MSLU has extensive contacts with the University. Humboldt for more than 30 years. As you might guess, previously only linguistic students participated in this work. Theology students have been participating for three years now.

And Mr. Rector, Professor Markshis, has already been to our university as part of our cooperation. That is, we already have such experience. For six years we have been hosting an international student forum. Students from several Moscow universities and Humboldt University students take part in it. We choose mainly theological topics for discussion. In June of this year we will organize a similar forum with the Orthodox St. Tikhon's humanitarian university. The topic of our future forum is “Leo Tolstoy and his Christianity,” although the global topic is “Globalization and Identity.” Thank you.

S.V. Chapnin:

It would probably be wrong to not give the floor to our guests when discussing topics of cooperation. The question could be clarified like this. How does Humboldt University see the prospects for cooperation, student exchange, and scientific cooperation with Russian theological universities?

Prof. Heinz Ohme:

This year, Humboldt University Berlin celebrates its 200th anniversary. Since its inception, this university has always been the founder of educational reforms throughout the country. The same model, the standard that was developed at the university in the 19th century, has now developed and acquired a scale, one might say, of a global level. That is, starting in 1810, from the founding of the university, the scientific program was developed and further developed by the outstanding theologian of the 19th century Friedrich Schleiermacher. Thus, theology was integrated into the entire scientific complex of disciplines taught at Humboldt University. You, of course, know that from the very beginning of the existence of European universities, it was theology that gave them a powerful impetus for development. In this sense, nothing has changed. This was not changed after the 1918 revolution in Germany. Also, nothing changed after the end of World War II. In the then newly formed GDR, on whose territory there were six universities, theological faculties functioned as before.

I would like to give some numbers. In Germany there are 19 Evangelical theological faculties and 12 Roman Catholic ones. In addition, there are many more institutes, about fifty. In total, we can say that today we have about 52 thousand students studying both evangelical and Catholic theology. The difference between these educational institutions is that only faculties have the right to defend dissertations, both candidate and doctoral. That is, these are faculties in state universities, with professors hired by the state. Their diplomas and dissertations are also recognized by the state. Every year, I emphasize, every year 200 candidate dissertations and 50 dissertations that correspond to doctoral dissertations are defended. All this suggests that the very posing of the question of the unscientific nature of theology is absurd for us.

Prof. Notger Slaska:

I would like to add just a few words to what has been said. It must be said that the Faculty of Theology participates on equal terms in dialogue with other faculties. We are conducting general developments of scientific programs, historical scientific disciplines. We work together with philologists and historians. For example, dogmatic theology, ethical theology. My task is to present precisely these aspects of activity in the overall ideological picture. I work closely with the Faculty of Philosophy and the Faculty of Natural Sciences. Of course, in these dialogues we each present our own position, but this is always a dialogue on equal terms.

And now, perhaps, in more detail about why our theological faculties are a matter of course. First of all, it must be said that the state itself is showing interest in the development of theology as a science. The state should be interested in people who profess a certain faith to enter into dialogue and express their attitude towards it. And among others, this interest is manifested in the fact that the state itself encourages the opening of similar Islamic faculties, as well as Jewish ones.

6. " graduate School education".
Question for the German guests. In Russia there is a Higher Attestation Commission. She makes a decision when opening a dissertation council and awards scientific degrees. Is there an analogue in Germany of such a commission at the state level, or is this issue given to faculties that create Councils at their own discretion and award academic degrees?

Prof. Heinz Ohme:

The issue of state recognition of diplomas and scientific degrees itself is not new. The faculties are too differentiated for this. And it doesn’t matter what specialty we are talking about. The question is fundamentally about whether a particular faculty has the right to accept dissertations for defense.

And most highest degree is the defense of theological dissertations. We theologians laugh, for example, about candidate and doctoral works in medicine. For us, this is a scientific level that cannot be compared.

Your question concerned the state. The state is asked when it comes to creating a new theological faculty. Thus, after World War II, eight new theological faculties were established in Germany. Then the question was who had the right to teach there. And here it was the state that made the decision. This is a guarantee that a certain scientific level will be maintained.

There is a government organization called Science Council. This organization advises federal government for academic degrees at the presidential level. Just recently, a month ago, a new statement from the Theological Council was released and published. But in this publication the question of the scientific nature of theology is not even raised. The Council's recommendations concern that, along with Evangelical and Catholic theology, education should be conducted in the Judaic and Islamic religions.

This indicates the interest not of some religious group, but quite the opposite, of a high state interest in religion. The state is obliged to respond to such requests from the population for personnel training. This is the responsibility of the state. Therefore, the thesis about the withering away of theological science has long been outdated. We all have a shared responsibility.

7. Zaitseva Yulia. Blagovest-info.
When is the minister's decision expected? As I understand it, you have no doubt that it will be positive. What will be the next steps?

A.V. Naumov:

Our working group's decision will be ready in March. This issue is under the control of the Presidential Administration. Accordingly, we will make a report to the Presidential Administration. Next, technical work will begin to amend the Nomenclature of Scientific Specialties and other approvals. I mean the registration of this order with the Ministry of Justice. April is the real decision time.

Blagovest-info: So the Orthodox are waiting for a gift for Easter?

A.V. Naumov: Maybe yes.

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To make it easier for applicants to pass the Unified State Examination and entrance exams to Moscow State Linguistic University, the university operates a Center pre-university training under the leadership of Belik Anna Anatolyevna. Schoolchildren and lyceum students who want to deepen their knowledge in the disciplines that are included in the examination cycle are accepted here: foreign language, Russian language, mathematics, Russian history, biology, social studies, geography, computer science and literature.

Classes at the Center are taught by the best teachers of the university, who try to prepare course participants for exams. Behind last years about 80% of the children who attended the Pre-University Training Center were then able to successfully pass school exams and then enter university.

For Year 10 students, classes at the Center begin in the second week of September. First, course participants are tested in a foreign language and are enrolled in a group with applicants who have the same level of knowledge. And then studies begin for two semesters, after which students can enroll in training at the Pre-University Training Center for 11th grade students.

The program for 11th graders and school leavers also begins in the second week of September. Here, too, a foreign language test is first taken to be enrolled in a specific group. And here additional items applicants choose themselves.

For 11th graders and school graduates, there is also the opportunity to study in the “Intensive” program, the duration of which is not 2 semesters, but one, but this program includes all the disciplines that are in the Unified State Exam. They can also choose the “Express Preparation” program, where course participants will be prepared for university entrance exams in 4 weeks.

International activities of MSLU

Since the main direction of study at the university is foreign languages, then the most important aspect The university's activities are international. To ensure its effectiveness, the Department of International Cooperation was established in 2005.

The main management tasks are:

• resolving legal issues and organizing cooperation with foreign partners of the university;
• constant strengthening of relations with various international linguistic organizations and foreign universities;
• holding international meetings and conferences for teachers and students on the basis of MSLU;
• exchange of students between MSLU and foreign universities to exchange experiences and improve their knowledge of a foreign language;
• assistance to foreign students arriving at MSLU in obtaining a visa and completing the necessary documents.